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pulling, truck driving lawyer, massachusetts senator scott brown who appeared along with mccain at a rally in phoenix in order to throw his support behind john mccain's re-election effort. >> hello, phoenix. my name is scott brown. i drive a truck and i am here to support senator john mccain for another term in the united states senate. let me tell you how brave john mccain is as a politician. john mccain has today introduced an amendment that would prevent the senate from ever making any cuts to medicare, using the reconciliation process, using a 51-vote simple majority. ladies and gentlemen, i'm here to tell you it took a lot of political courage for john mccain to introduce that because john mccain himself has done this thing he now wants to ban four times. yes, john mccain voted to cut medicare through the
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reconciliation process four times and now he wants to ban anyone else from doing what he's done over and over again and that, ladies and gentlemen, takes guts -- or something. he used reconciliation to cut medicare in 1989. he did it again in 1995. he did it again in 1997. as recently as 2005 he voted to cut medicare using reconciliation, the very thing he's now taking a strong stand against. what a man. heck, john mccain campaigned for president on a promise to cut medicare and medicaid by $1.3 trillion, ladies and gentlemen. and now, he's bravely taking a stand against himself dressing up as someone who doesn't want to cut medicare and who wants to ban himself from voting the way he has in the past again and again and again. ladies and gentlemen, here's a man willing to contradict everything he's stood for in the name of getting elected by you,
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because arizona can't afford another term of john mccain -- the other one. paid for by the new john mccain for senator committee which is in no way associated with the committee to re-elect john mccain. >> okay. so that wasn't a real john mccain campaign ad, nor was that the real scott brown introducing john mccain today in phoenix. but they might well have been because -- actually, everything that our fake scott brown in the pink shorts said about john mccain happens to be true. john mccain has just really and truly and unironically introduced an amendment to protect medicare from the reconciliation process, even though he has voted through reconciliation to cut medicare spending four separate times over the course of the last 20 years. even though massive medicaid and medicare cuts were part of his presidential campaign in 2008. it's as if he thinks nobody remembers this stuff or no one will check on it.
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or he knows he'll be called out on hypocrisy and doesn't care. he's apparently, as they say, not embarrassed, which you might have noticed is becoming something of a theme in washington lately. republican senator orin hatch of utah also appears unembarrassed about his self-negating pronouncements on health reform in september of last year when pretending to want some kind of health reform was okay for republicans. senator hatch appeared on andrea mitchell's show and agreed with president obama's assessment that democrats and republicans were, in fact, in agreement on 80% of the health reform proposals on the table. >> we made the point that 80% of what they are talking about we could probably agree on. but it's the 20% where all the money is that we have disagreements. for instance, he was saying basically that they are going to have a public plan one form or another that they are going to
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have an employer mandate. >> okay. fast forward to this week. now that the democrats have compromised substantially on that pesky 20% where the all important disagreement was, according to orin hatch and now that the president's plan doesn't include a public option and there is no employer mandate which is what senator hatch was complaining about in the 20%. now that that's been resolved presumably to senator hatch's satisfaction, senator hatch was just asked by think progress if he still agrees with democrats on 80% of health reform. one might think since democrats have given in to so many republican demands maybe he agrees with more than 80% now? >> i don't agree with 80% of it. i think most of it is a piece of junk. in all honesty it's a big spenting, big government bill that will cost a lot more than it's worth. >> it's a piece of junk. i don't agree with 80% of it.
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never mind what he said about agreeing with the democrats. now hatch doesn't agree with the democrats about anything even remotely related to health reform, even the stuff before he agreed with him that he doesn't agree with anymore. the old orin hatch liked a piece of junk. this this new orin hatch won't like the old orin hatch if he gets a chance to meet him. the old they're not embarrassed theme is also apparently for anti-health reform people who want to join the senate for the fi first time. take this nevada republican, sue lowden whose new attack ad against harry reid is perfect. it's perfect. i could not have made up anything more illustrative to show you how not embarrassed the opposition to health reform is right now. it's perfect. it was like a golden gift to me
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today. check this out. this is sue lowden's strategy against reid. her strategy is to come out strong against government health care as a means of defending medicare which is, government-run health care. see? it's perfect. >> harry reid's big government health care plan will raise taxes, put a bureaucrat between you and your doctor, kill jobs, weaken medicare, push us further into debt. i'm sue lowden and i approved this message because government-run health care is wrong. >> because why? don't let harry reid weaken our country's largest government-run health care system because government-run health care is wrong. sue lowden for senate. she's against the thing she wants to save. of course she is totally unembarrassed about it, which means if she does get to senate she'll fit right in.
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joining us now is something also perfect, chris hayes. >> oh! i thought you were going to say something else that's unembarrassed. >> true. that's also true. okay. the overall serious hypothesis here is that they are not embarrassed because there is no time to be embarrassed. health reform is going to pass and they've got to -- not trouble themselves with hypocrisy, lying and getting caught in stuff. it's desperation. do you think that's true? >> i think it's desperation and also part of the republican and rights' m.o. if i extract myself from the situation i can almost admire it. the point is when he will wield over is around. they are the great defenders of medicare. they have been doing it since the summer. they are attacking from the left all of the sudden on medicare even though as you point out it makes no sense. but the other thing that is important to sort of zero in on this particular line is that it's really important to note that the demographic base of the
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right wing in this country are are senior citizens, are older americans. that's where the voting strength, dollar strength of the right is at this moment. in some ways it's playing to their base. >> but older americans aren't dumb just because they are older. >> no, they are not. >> to be smul tape uimultaneous onto the idea that government-run health care is evil while talking about the fact that they are going to save medicare, i don't think older people will fall for it. i think they're under estimating people. >> i agree. one of the things i think you will see, even though demographically older people are the most skeptical about health care reform, part of it is the accrued capital accrued to the democratic party as the protector of the big middle class social programs like social security, like medicare. so i think it's an uphill climb for republicans to turn around and suddenly portray themselves
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as the defenders of medicare when in the same cycle paul ryan in the house is essentially advocating for the privatization of medicare and the dismantling of it as a program as we know. so, yeah, it's actually not a winnable rhetorical fight for them to portray themselves as defenders of medicare. >> looking specifically at the amendment that john mccain has introduced that i made fun of him for at length at the top of the introduction, ezra klein argued today in the washington post that this idea that you ban reconciliation for things like medicare is not just completely at odds with mccain's record, who's repeatedly voted to cut medicare reconciliation, what is he advocating here? we should never do anything about medicare without a super majority? >> if you were to come up with a
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kar caricature of this it would try to do this. the point is there is a lot of waste in the system and we want to squeeze the waste out. in fact, one would think getting rid of government waste is a cliche that they like to talk about. this would say, no, there has to be a super majority requirement any time you want to touch any of the waste. that's incoherent and a horrible, horrible idea substantively. >> shocking. shocking, i know, especially in primary season. chris hayes, washington editor of the nation. chris, thank you very much for joining us tonight. have a good weekend. >> you, too. >> so our look at congressman bart stupak's argument took a weird turn when we started looking into who's been paying his rent for the past few years. we have good news. the congressman's office called us back today. the less than good news is they are still not answering our
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america, meet bartholomew thomas stupak, a democratic member of congress who is currently making the most of his 15 minutes of fame.
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the reason that mr. stupak is famous these day, the reason his name may sound familiar is because bart stupak is trying to be the democrat who brings down health reform. he's trying to hijack health reform to use it to enact the farthest reaching access to abortion in a generation. an effective abortion ban for anyone who can't afford to pay for the procedure out of pocket. >> we want a bill that says no public funding for abortion and that's the -- >> but if there is a bill -- >> there are certain principles and values you don't trade. >> bart stupak is not actually correct that when he says without his language there will be public funding for abortion if health reform goes through. in fact, the senate version of the bill explicitly bans public funding for abortion, but that's not good enough for stupak. he wants to use the health reform bill to restrict abortion rights even further. mr. stupak wants to ban people
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from purchasing insurance that covers abortion, even if they buy the coverage with their own money. before bart stupak saw the chance to get his 15 minutes in the spotlight there was a rough consensus that abortion law would be left as is, no matter what other changes health reform wrought. the health reform fight would be separate from the abortion fight. that was the consensus before bart stupak saw a chance to make a name for himself. in making a name for himself, mr. stupak opened himself up to questions about who he is and where he's coming from. last night on this show we talked about stupak's long-time washington, d.c. residence, an 8,000 square foot, 12 bedroom mansion called c street. c street is reportedly run by a secretive religious group called the fellowship or the family. the members of congress who live there reportedly pay just $600 a month for rent which is a sweetheart deal and is clearly way below market value for the area. and that raises the question,
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who subsidizes the rent that bart stupak and the other congressmen pay -- or paid? today stupak's office said mr. stupak moved out of c street at the end of december. they provided us with a letter he sent constituents upon doing so but they have declined to answer questions about how much he paid in rent, who he paid it too and who subsidized his rent if anyone. we looked into it because we couldn't get answers from them and tonight we have big news to report in terms of who mr. stupak seems to have been paying. with all the controversy around c street in recent months, the secretive religious group the family seemed to distance itself from the townhouse claiming it has nothing to do with c street. the president of the fellowship known as the family talked to the columbus dispatch last week. quoting from the dispatch, richard carver, the president of
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the fellowship foundation said his charitable organization does not own the c street center and has no control over its policy. he said he does not know who owns or runs the center. quote, it is simply not a part of anything we do. so according to the fellowship they have nothing to do with c street. they don't even know who runs c street. today we were able to obtain what appears to be the official deed to the c street house, a deed dated september 23, 2009. it's a deed that appears to change the ownership of the property from a group called youth with a mission to an organization called c street center incorporated. signing on behalf of c street center incorporated is that group's secretary, marty b. sherman. who's marty b. sherman? well, here's the 2008 tax filing of the fellowship foundation, or the family, right there listed on page seven, hey, wouldn't you know, marty sherman, associate.
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so the family claims they have nothing to do with c street and yet one of their associates is the person who's listed on the deed to c street. the mystery deepens. now, you know, the family is known to be a secretive group. one of the thing we noted as being weird in our coverage of this was that bart stupak goes out of his way to say he's never signed an oath of secrecy around c street. indeed in a letter to constituents he reiterates, quote, i have never been asked to sign a contract or oath of secrecy concerning c street or its residents. why does he keep bringing this up? not so long ago when talking about c street to the press bart stupak told the los angeles times that he kind of did abide by a code of secrecy. his quote to the l.a. times when they asked him about it was this -- we sort of don't talk to the press about the house. the reason this is important is because bart stupak continues to
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deny having anything at all to do with a secretive religious group the family. but check this out. in 2002, when bart stupak was living at c street -- he's lived there for years. when he was living there in 2002 an associate of the family described for the press the arrangement that the family had with the members of congress who have lived at that house. this is how the family described it. quote, a lot of men don't have an extra $1,500 to rent an apartment, so the fellowship does that for those who are part of the fellowship. the l.a. times noting that rent is $600 per month for each resident. so the questions remain tonight. was bart stupak paying the family rent to live at c street? was the family subsidizing mr. stupak's rent which seems to have been well below market rate? why would the family be subsidizing stupak's rent if he wasn't, as he says, a member of the group. when the family admits that they
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subsidize rent for their members? and why exactly is the family claiming to have no ties to the house when tax and prolt records indicate that it clearly does. bottom line here, as bart stupak tries to shut down health reform for an anti-abortion stunt that won't succeed but will make him famous, who's been paying bart stupak's rent in washington all these years? has he reported it? and why won't he answer questions about it? joining us is the reverend eric williams from north congressional united church of christ in columbus, ohio. he and others have filed a complaint challenging the tax exempt status of c street. thanks for your time. >> my pleasure. glad to join you. >> the c street house is listed as a church for tax purposes. what prompted you and the group of pastors to want to challenge that status? >> exactly that. watching your show, when i heard
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you talking about sex scandals and elite powerful men seeking counseling at a boarding house and they call themselves a church my ears perked up. another washington scandal. when anyone represents themselves as a church i pay attention. >> as a pastor yourself, what concerns you the most about it being a church in terms of tax exempt status? are you worried that people who abuse the status cheapen it for people who deserve it? >> that's right. i'm concerned about maintaining the historic role the church has played in our society all these years. when somebody's presenting themselves as a church and yet when you begin to ask questions about their activities, the reporting, their membership, and you find it doesn't look like a church at all you say, well, what's the benefit from that? and the benefit, i believe, is lack of transparency. complete opacity. we don't know the revenue, membership, their activities,
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the extent of their influence at all. >> that is what has attracted me to the story again and again. i keep thinking i'm done talking about c street and the fellowship and the family. then it just keeps coming up. on the specific issue of bart stupak, do you find it troubling specifically that members of congress would be getting what appear to be in-kind donations from the group in the form of rent but they are not declared anywhere? >> oh, absolutely. any time favors are given, that means there is an expectation that goes along with that. if, indeed, they have been enjoying favors all these years and not declaring that, not admitting to that, it really goes to the credibility of how they are representing the work they do. >> it's awkward for me because the secrecy makes it hard to report on as well as to describe what these things mean. we know when bart stupak introduced the abortion related amendment he cosponsored it with joe pitts who is widely reported
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to be another member of the family but he says he has nothing to do with them. that's a challenge for reporting as well. >> it's really hard, absolutely. really hard for us to be able to learn anything. if we can shed a little bit of light on the organization. if they would open the door and invite us into a conversation maybe they could assure us or we could have some of the questions you have been digging at answered for us. >> as we talked about them, the family has recently claimed that it has nothing to do with the c. street house. i understand you have heard from affiliates from the family since your complaint went public and made a big splash. is that true? >> i was contacted by a couple of folks. one gentleman from columbus, ohio. also by tim coe, son of famous doug coe who expressed interest in talking about my objections and trying to reassure me. i found it interesting that he would contact me if there is no relationship at all. >> i hear your implication
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there. >> so i i vieted him to a -- invited him to a public conversation and made several attempts to invite him to that. ultimately he turned me down wanting a private conversation rather than wanting one with accountability. >> i'm sorry i interrupted you there. he offered to get in touch and talk to you about c street even as the family denies having anything to do with c. street but he only wanted the conversation between the two of you without anyone else there. >> that's right. they want a private, confidential, unreportable conversation. >> we'll reach out the to mr. coe now that we know he's reached out to you. >> that would be wonderful. keep up the good work, please. >> good luck to you, sir. on its substance, support for the military's don't ask, don't tell policy has been pretty thin for a while. we will discuss what may be the end of a destructive policy with
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the fight over don't ask, don't tell got weirder today. and the general who was chief of staff of the air force when don't ask, don't tell got put into place in the first place weighed in against repealing the policy, but his weighing in seems to have confused matters more than it resolved them. check this out.
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quote, i was one of the service chiefs when the don't ask, don't tell compromise was reached in 1993. until then, every person coming into the military was asked questions dreked at establishing sexual orientation and admitted homosexuals were automatically rejected. thus, the don't ask part of the rule actually means gays no longer have to lie. so if you're gay you don't have to lie about that in the military now? does general merrill mcpeak really believe that's true? it's totally prove bli obviously not true. >> in iraq during the height of the insurgency the air force conducted a search of my private e-mails solely to determine if i had violated don't ask, don't tell and to gather whatever evidence they could use against me. i was relieved of my duties leading nearly 200 airmen. >> the proponents of the policy
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say that you personally, you being gay, has a negative effect on your squadron's good order and discipline. how do you feel about hthat? >> not one single person i'm assigned with or that afly with new about this case until this moment. >> even if general mcpeak's only recent information was from watching cable news, say at 9:00 p.m. eastern in the last few months would have po vieded him with direct evidence that people do have to lie if they are in the military and gay right now. but even being totally closeted is not enough to stop the witch hunting of people in the military to drum them out of the service. so his op-ed was a strange addition to the debate today. another one of the service chiefs from the time that don't ask, don't tell was put into place is also trying to make
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himself part of the debate now to similarly awkward affect. the former commandant has been cited by senators. >> i would commend to the members of this committee an op-ed written by carl e.mundi, jr., retire ohhed four-star general and former comandant of the marine corps. i would ask this be included in the record at this point. >> what senator wicker is having introduced into the record is an op-ed from january 12 of this year by general mundi that opposes the repeal of don't ask, don't tell. roger wicker had it introduced into the congressional record at a don't ask, don't tell hearing. other than general mundi's
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advocacy against don't ask, don't tell the general is famous in civilian life for two other things meaning famous among civilians. first, he once issued an order banning married people from joining the marines. he ended up having to rescind that after the whole country said, dude, say what now? he's perhaps more famous for this. on october 31, 1993, as com comandant of the marine corps he explained the result as follows and i quote, in the military skills, we find that the minority officers do not shoot as well as the nonminorities. they don't swim as well. when you give them a compass and send them across the terrain at night in a land navigation exercise, they don't do as well at that sort of thing.
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that's what general carl mundy is famous for in civilian life. he's the man that the pentagon was forced to apologize for because he went on "60 minutes" to say that minorities can't shoot, or swim, or read a compass, not like white people can. now he's helping lead the charge against don't ask, don't tell. >> i would commend to the members of this committee an op-ed written by carl e.mundy jr., retired four-star general and former commandant of the u.s. marine corps. >> clifford alexander joins us now. he served under president carter and president johnson. thank you very much for coming on the show. it's an honor to have you here. >> thank you very much, rachel. >> what do you make of senators and other people engaged in the fight now over don't ask, don't tell citing former military
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officers as a way to defend the don't ask, don't tell policy? >> they have a new approach now. the approach is that this is going to be difficult because we are in two wars. if we were at peace, their argument would be that we must not try this social experiment because you can't really tell if it will work during peacetime. their approach is to somehow avoid what would make american men and women in the service act in an honorable way, be able to not lie to themselves and lie to those around them and there is nothing but, in a sense, some hatred, a little bit of fear and a great deal of ignorance driving this force to keep this don't ask, don't tell policy in place. >> general mcpeak's op-ed today, i thought, was important because of his arguments and i don't mean it as an insult to the general at all. his arguments were strange, in my view.
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he argued, for example, that warriors are helped by male bonding and don't ask, don't tell interferes with male bonding and weaken warrior culture. as a former secretary of the army, i have to ask your response to that argument. >> well, it's as if he's watching too many horror movies. it seems to me he must be living in a world that's unlike any world any of us see. he excludes women from the capacity to be great soldiers and great and brave people as they have been in many wars with this country and with other countries, but beyond that what is so bothersome about both of the generals you cite is that these men were in charge of the welfare of so many people that this kind of narrow-minded ignorant thinking is allowed to really judge not obviously just gays but all people in the military. that their judgment is somehow
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better than, according to the senators, the good sense that would say you want men and women, whatever their particular sexual orientation, to be able to serve according to their skills. now, we shouldn't be studying this. they have been talking about having a long study. the president of the united states, instead of calling for a study, should have said to the secretary of defense, tell me in 30 days how we can get this legislation moving on the hill. but don't hold this until december. the president of the united states, according to article ii, section 2 of the constitution is the commander in chief. he is in charge of the army and the navy. when the constitution was written, there wasn't an air force. it is quite clear it is up to him to set the tone. and it is up to him to set what we call very importantly in this democracy civilian control. and that means that the civilians, the people who are elected, are the ones who set the particular way things should
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be in the services. you do not look to the military people in uniform to set the policy. you look to them for their expertise. you look to them for judgment and then you, as the person who is elected head of this government, say to them, this is how it is going to be. that is what civilian control is all about. otherwise you have the situation that has taken place in several countries where the military is running the government. that's the last thing we want. we certainly don't want the mcpeaks and the mundys running the government or running the services they ran. the kind of ignorance that was spewed out in that op-ed piece, the ignorance mundy attributed to himself as the head of a service is appalling and should be described as such. it shouldn't be the pentagon saying, i apologize for this person. it should be the pentagon condemning this kind of activity. we need to get passionate about these things. we can't just say, well, he
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might have been off that day. if you read this piece in the times you wonder what logical world this man lives in. he clearly didn't know what he was talking about. he has no empirical proof nor is there any empirical proof. in fact,er the proof is on the other side because other countries don't worry about what is the sexual orientation of who's next to the man or woman in uniform. >> clifford alexander, former secretary of the army, this is the second time you have joined us on this show and in both cases i have been bowled over by the generosity of your time and your arguments. thank you, sir. >> glad to be with you. last night, liz cheney told us how many americans are al qaeda sympathizers. i myself, was arrested by patriotic kent jones who accepted a slice of pizza as bond. later on tonight, many people would be usually on liz cheney's side in an argument think she's gone way too far with this one.
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surprise. get it? psychic being surprised? anyway, speaking of the sec, on monday on this show, our guest for the interview was harry markopolis who for years warned the sec about bernie madoff's giant multi-million dollar ponzi scheme. he documented the fraud, submitted warning after warning but sec officials ignored him. kent jones did a little investigative work as to what was going on at the sec that may explain why he was ignored. hi, kent. thanks. >> hi, rachel. it seems some of them in the sec had what could be called severe time management issues. >> okay. >> take a look. is so what were the wall street cops at the sec doing that prevented them from busting b n bernie madoff? surfing for porn. some of them anyway, according to an affidavit obtained by a
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freedom of information act request. one regional supervisor for the sec tried more than 1800 times to look up various porn sites in a 17-day span from his work computer. hence the term nsfw. for than two dozen employees and contractors at the sec have been investigated after getting caught looking at p-o-r-n during the work day at the sec. check out this exchange between investigators and the furiously right-clicking sec supervisor. now i'm going to show you what has been marked as exhibit g. this is a record from the same date, august 20th which our records show you made over 300 attempts to access a website called do you have any recollection of attempting to access this site? >> i do not have any specific recollection on this site. but, as i indicated, on this
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specific day, i would not be surprised if i clicked a website on one of those days. do you view these images often? that depends. define "often." i don't know, dude. how about 1800 attempts in 17 days? the sec supervisor said his, um, hobby, helped him cope with the stress of the job. but he did admit that all the porn sites, quote, were kind of a distraction per se, end quote. kind of a distraction. let the history books note the second american depression was caused by >> how do you know where to put the emphasis? thank you, kent. as you may have gathered, i didn't really get arrested last night for being a member of al qaeda. so that's good. but i am far from the only one fuming at liz cheney for trying
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that's great. yeah. coming up next hour on "countdown" keith turns up on chatroulette with jon stewart then the backlash from liz cheney. an important update on the story coming up.
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important follow-up for you on our reporting last night on liz cheney.
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liz cheney's group keep america safe warning that lawyers who defended people imprisoned by the obama administrati the bush administration, those lawyers should be suspected of terrorism or sympathizing with terrorism. liz cheney's group calling attorneys who worked on guantanamo cases would now work at the justice department "the al qaeda seven." turns out her allegation hasn't just shocked and outraged bathroom bolsheviks simps like me but getting blasted by people like peter kiesler co-founder of the federalist society. telling "the new york times" that liz cheney was wrong to attack lawyers who defended guantanamo prisoners. also criticizing remember, john belanger, former counsel to president bush and legal adviser to the national security adviser
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and ted olson, bush administration solicitor general told "newsweek's" michael isikoff that liz cheney's attack on the lawyers is outrageous. now, liz cheney is not backing down in the face of storyrent of criticism and revulsion at her tactics but she does appear to be getting a little uncomfortable. listen to this from a washington times radio show yesterday. >> you asked the question, who's values does eric holder share? in your view whose values does he share? >> well, what the ad does and actually it doesn't question anybody's loyalty. >> liz cheney saying her al qaeda seven ad doesn't question anybody's loyalty. really? >> why the secrecy behind the other seven. whose values do they share? >> the ad doesn't question anybody's loyalty? can we discuss look at that
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again? was that osama bin laden or somebody who just walked into that shot? oh, no. whose value -- actually -- it's not osama bin laden. turns out it's a leader of al qaeda in yemen that they put in that shot when they're saying whose values do these lawyers share? how very current of them? whose values do these al qaeda seven share? maybe this guy from al qaeda in yemen? that's not questioning somebody's loyalty. seriously, liz cheney? as long as we're on the subject let it also be known among the lawyers whose loyalty she is questioning are pretiq shaw that was before he was hired by the bush administration. did they hire him to bring a terrorist sympathizer into the department of jihad -- i mean justice. how about trisha anderson who helped represent 13 yemeni prisoners then got hired as an adviser to the office of legal
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counsel? did bush and cheney hire her because they wanted to bring a terrorist sympathizer into the office of legal counsel. how about varda hussein -- somebody named hussein? she helped represent three prisoners then got hired by the bush/cheney justice department civil rights division. did they hire her in order to bring a terrorist sympathizer into the justice department's civil rights division? i would love to ask liz cheney these questions in person. after all, we have met. ever so briefly. we did call liz cheney's office again today to try to get her to come on the show but still she will not do so and as one final follow-up to our cheney extravaganza i do have to thank somebody. i teed to thank the wonderful props staff of the "jimmy fallon" show who leapt us the handcuffs that were used to cuff me. when we returned them, the prop
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